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		<title>Comment on Getting to Know DAVID FAILE by David Faile Renews Master Instructor Designation 7th Time</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Faile Renews Master Instructor Designation 7th Time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Get-a-Member Campaign by SAFE Embarks on Bold Membership Drive</title>
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		<dc:creator>SAFE Embarks on Bold Membership Drive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 02:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on SAFE solicits member input to respond to FAA ANPRM by wzuege</title>
		<link>http://www.safepilots.org/2010/02/05/safe-solicits-member-input-to-respond-to-faa-anprm/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>wzuege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 21:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next 3 paragraphs contains the description from the NTSB on the causes of the Colgan Air crash.  Based on this description, I&#039;ve added my comments:  

NTSB says pilot error caused crash of Colgan Air Flight 3407:  The Board added that Renslow&#039;s response to the &quot;stick shaker activation should have been automatic, but his improper flight control inputs were inconsistent with his training and were instead consistent with startle and confusion. The 24-year-old first officer, Rebecca Lynne Shaw, was noted for her young age and lack of experience.

The Board also concluded that &quot;the pilots&#039; performance was likely impaired because of fatigue.&quot; Renslow and Shaw had spent the night at the crew lounge at Newark Liberty International Airport in violation of Colgan Air&#039;s company policies. However, the board voted down making fatigue a contributing factor. Shaw, the first officer, had flown the previous night on two separate planes from the Pacific Northwest where she lived with her parents. Shaw also appeared to be suffering from a bad cold.

However, the report also criticized Colgan saying that the airline, &quot;did not pro-actively address the pilot fatigue hazards associated with operations at a predominantly commuter base.&quot; Adding that, &quot;Operators have a responsibility to identify risks associated with commuting, implement strategies to mitigate these risks, and ensure that their commuting pilots are fit for duty.&quot;

ZUEGE&#039;s COMMENTS based on the above:  The last sentence is key:  &quot;Operators have a responsibility to identify risks associated with cummuting, implement strategies to mitigate these risks, and ensure that their commuting pilots are fit for duty.&quot;  Operators are already are responsible for &quot;proactively&quot; ensuring their pilots are trained for the flight environment the equipment they are hired to fly in, the flight systems they will be flying with and required Operators&#039; standard operating procedures.  Performance checks are utilized expressly for this purpose; to proactively identify performance skills that may require virtual repetitive experience to maintain readiness for non-standard procedures.    

FAA ANPRM QUESTION #1:  Should all pilots who transport passengers be required to hold an Air Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate .... and raise the required flight hours for these pilots to 1,500hrs? 

ZUEGE RESPONSE:  No.  The Colgan Air Captain was the Pilot In Command and had lots of experience.  It was not lack of experience that caused this accident.  To raise the flight hours for new pilots to reach would be financially prohibitive for the pilot market as a whole. Air carriers will have trouble affording pilots in the future if there is an extreme shortage due to this new requirement.  Instead, the 121 air carriers that are hiring low-time pilots should be responsible for providing the necessary ongoing training in flight environment, flight systems and operating standards.  And example of operating standards that is typically dismissed and is also a violation of the Federal Aviation Administration&#039;s (FAA) is the sterile cockpit rule.  This was reported by a NTSB board member: &quot; It was continuous and one-sided, with the captain doing most of the talking. It was as if the flight was just a means for the captain to conduct a conversation with this young first officer.&quot;  Standard Operating Procedures.  In my opinion, if any air carrier is unable to afford ongoing crew training, they should not be in the business of flying passengers. 

FAA ANPRM QUESTION #2:  Should the FAA permit academic credit in lieu of required flight hours or experience?

ZUEGE RESPONSE:  No.  The required minimum hours should be just that .... required minimum hours.  

FAA ANPRM QUESTION #3: Should the FAA establish a new commercial pilot certificate endorsement that would address concerns about the operational experience of newly hired commercial pilots, require additional flight hours and possibly credit academic training?

ZUEGE&#039;s RESPONSE:  No.  Again, it wasn&#039;t lack of experience that caused the Colgan crash.  As an instructor, the Commercial Certificate is an attractive certificate to endorse after an instrument rating.  The usually very new pilot that just completes an instrument rating has had a least 40 hours of keeping their &quot;heads in the cockpit&quot; and their eyes on the instrument panel.  This is great for learning how to control the airplane and navigate by but hazardous in VMC when flying VFR.  The Commercial training gets their &quot;heads out of the cockpit&quot; again and looking for traffic.  It adds to the culture of safety progression of training for ALL aviators. 

Once again; when a low-time commercial pilot is hired by any commercial Operator, it is the Operator&#039;s responsibility to provide the training necessary.  There are a variety of aircraft systems out there .... too numerous to add to a generic Commercial Knowledge test ... not to mention too expensive for actual training.  It must fall on the shoulders of the 121 and 135 carriers to do this training extensively based on the equipment and enviroment that is specific to their company.  

FAA ANPRM QUESTION #4:  Would an air carrier-specific authorization on an existing pilot certifidate improve safety?
ZUEGE&#039;s RESPONSE:  Operators that hire pilots should be providing all the training necessary for those pilots to perform legally and safely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next 3 paragraphs contains the description from the NTSB on the causes of the Colgan Air crash.  Based on this description, I&#8217;ve added my comments:  </p>
<p>NTSB says pilot error caused crash of Colgan Air Flight 3407:  The Board added that Renslow&#8217;s response to the &#8220;stick shaker activation should have been automatic, but his improper flight control inputs were inconsistent with his training and were instead consistent with startle and confusion. The 24-year-old first officer, Rebecca Lynne Shaw, was noted for her young age and lack of experience.</p>
<p>The Board also concluded that &#8220;the pilots&#8217; performance was likely impaired because of fatigue.&#8221; Renslow and Shaw had spent the night at the crew lounge at Newark Liberty International Airport in violation of Colgan Air&#8217;s company policies. However, the board voted down making fatigue a contributing factor. Shaw, the first officer, had flown the previous night on two separate planes from the Pacific Northwest where she lived with her parents. Shaw also appeared to be suffering from a bad cold.</p>
<p>However, the report also criticized Colgan saying that the airline, &#8220;did not pro-actively address the pilot fatigue hazards associated with operations at a predominantly commuter base.&#8221; Adding that, &#8220;Operators have a responsibility to identify risks associated with commuting, implement strategies to mitigate these risks, and ensure that their commuting pilots are fit for duty.&#8221;</p>
<p>ZUEGE&#8217;s COMMENTS based on the above:  The last sentence is key:  &#8220;Operators have a responsibility to identify risks associated with cummuting, implement strategies to mitigate these risks, and ensure that their commuting pilots are fit for duty.&#8221;  Operators are already are responsible for &#8220;proactively&#8221; ensuring their pilots are trained for the flight environment the equipment they are hired to fly in, the flight systems they will be flying with and required Operators&#8217; standard operating procedures.  Performance checks are utilized expressly for this purpose; to proactively identify performance skills that may require virtual repetitive experience to maintain readiness for non-standard procedures.    </p>
<p>FAA ANPRM QUESTION #1:  Should all pilots who transport passengers be required to hold an Air Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate &#8230;. and raise the required flight hours for these pilots to 1,500hrs? </p>
<p>ZUEGE RESPONSE:  No.  The Colgan Air Captain was the Pilot In Command and had lots of experience.  It was not lack of experience that caused this accident.  To raise the flight hours for new pilots to reach would be financially prohibitive for the pilot market as a whole. Air carriers will have trouble affording pilots in the future if there is an extreme shortage due to this new requirement.  Instead, the 121 air carriers that are hiring low-time pilots should be responsible for providing the necessary ongoing training in flight environment, flight systems and operating standards.  And example of operating standards that is typically dismissed and is also a violation of the Federal Aviation Administration&#8217;s (FAA) is the sterile cockpit rule.  This was reported by a NTSB board member: &#8221; It was continuous and one-sided, with the captain doing most of the talking. It was as if the flight was just a means for the captain to conduct a conversation with this young first officer.&#8221;  Standard Operating Procedures.  In my opinion, if any air carrier is unable to afford ongoing crew training, they should not be in the business of flying passengers. </p>
<p>FAA ANPRM QUESTION #2:  Should the FAA permit academic credit in lieu of required flight hours or experience?</p>
<p>ZUEGE RESPONSE:  No.  The required minimum hours should be just that &#8230;. required minimum hours.  </p>
<p>FAA ANPRM QUESTION #3: Should the FAA establish a new commercial pilot certificate endorsement that would address concerns about the operational experience of newly hired commercial pilots, require additional flight hours and possibly credit academic training?</p>
<p>ZUEGE&#8217;s RESPONSE:  No.  Again, it wasn&#8217;t lack of experience that caused the Colgan crash.  As an instructor, the Commercial Certificate is an attractive certificate to endorse after an instrument rating.  The usually very new pilot that just completes an instrument rating has had a least 40 hours of keeping their &#8220;heads in the cockpit&#8221; and their eyes on the instrument panel.  This is great for learning how to control the airplane and navigate by but hazardous in VMC when flying VFR.  The Commercial training gets their &#8220;heads out of the cockpit&#8221; again and looking for traffic.  It adds to the culture of safety progression of training for ALL aviators. </p>
<p>Once again; when a low-time commercial pilot is hired by any commercial Operator, it is the Operator&#8217;s responsibility to provide the training necessary.  There are a variety of aircraft systems out there &#8230;. too numerous to add to a generic Commercial Knowledge test &#8230; not to mention too expensive for actual training.  It must fall on the shoulders of the 121 and 135 carriers to do this training extensively based on the equipment and enviroment that is specific to their company.  </p>
<p>FAA ANPRM QUESTION #4:  Would an air carrier-specific authorization on an existing pilot certifidate improve safety?<br />
ZUEGE&#8217;s RESPONSE:  Operators that hire pilots should be providing all the training necessary for those pilots to perform legally and safely.</p>
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		<link>http://www.safepilots.org/networking/discussion-forums/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>SAFE Update, 02/16/2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 04:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on SAFE Responses to NPRM FAA 2008 0938 by roberth</title>
		<link>http://www.safepilots.org/2009/12/08/safe-responses-to-nprm-faa-2008-0938/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>roberth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent response to the points in the NPRM.  We need, however, to address the overall question of &quot;What is the meaning of the Commercial certificate?&quot;  It should not be a written test and some lazy eights...

The FAA was exceptionally wise to promote the Instrument Rating earlier.  It needs to go further now, and make the Instrument Rating a prerequisite to the Commercial.  We are no longer living in the thirties. No passenger carrier would hire a pilot without an instrument rating.

We need to get ahead of the current move in the press to require the ATP for all 121 pilots.  We need to make the Commercial relevent again.  There is no reason to keep young pilots in flight instructor/banner towing/skydiving for 1200 hours.  After a summer of flying jumpers, you aren&#039;t going to learn much more.

I don&#039;t know the answer.  Perhaps upping the Commercial ticket to 500 hours.  The Commercial should include at least a taste of everything the pilot will see flying the line.  I like adding the high dive (high altitude endorsement) to the Commercial.  Require a spin endorsement of the Commercial candidate.  He or she will need it for the CFI anyway.  That would address the concerns of the Buffalo families.   Add questions about turbines to the written test.  

If we don&#039;t get ahead of the swell, the wave is going to crash on us.

Robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent response to the points in the NPRM.  We need, however, to address the overall question of &#8220;What is the meaning of the Commercial certificate?&#8221;  It should not be a written test and some lazy eights&#8230;</p>
<p>The FAA was exceptionally wise to promote the Instrument Rating earlier.  It needs to go further now, and make the Instrument Rating a prerequisite to the Commercial.  We are no longer living in the thirties. No passenger carrier would hire a pilot without an instrument rating.</p>
<p>We need to get ahead of the current move in the press to require the ATP for all 121 pilots.  We need to make the Commercial relevent again.  There is no reason to keep young pilots in flight instructor/banner towing/skydiving for 1200 hours.  After a summer of flying jumpers, you aren&#8217;t going to learn much more.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the answer.  Perhaps upping the Commercial ticket to 500 hours.  The Commercial should include at least a taste of everything the pilot will see flying the line.  I like adding the high dive (high altitude endorsement) to the Commercial.  Require a spin endorsement of the Commercial candidate.  He or she will need it for the CFI anyway.  That would address the concerns of the Buffalo families.   Add questions about turbines to the written test.  </p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t get ahead of the swell, the wave is going to crash on us.</p>
<p>Robert</p>
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		<title>Comment on SAFE Responses to NPRM FAA 2008 0938 by David St. George</title>
		<link>http://www.safepilots.org/2009/12/08/safe-responses-to-nprm-faa-2008-0938/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>David St. George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A wonderfully crafted response to this NPRM! I am so proud of my organization here.  The distinction between mechanically and technologically complex is astute and should be addressed in any further rule making.  We will see what happens, John Lynch has this proposal on &quot;greased skids&quot; toward approval.

The focus of this change is entirely contrary to safety. Essentially they are changing the rule to make it &quot;easier and cheaper for flight schools and for students.&quot; The resulting &lt;strong&gt;reduction&lt;/strong&gt; in necessary skills and hence safety is not addressed! Perhaps we will have FOs that never operated folding gear? an increase in gear-up landings on CRJs? The whole industry is in a panic to get more pilots started but the trend of &quot;lowering standards to make more pilots&quot; is counter-productive in the long run. Witness all the &quot;shake and bake&quot; pilot academy graduates screwing up in airliners now. (Please don&#039;t make me fly on an airliner!) Thanks for your great work here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wonderfully crafted response to this NPRM! I am so proud of my organization here.  The distinction between mechanically and technologically complex is astute and should be addressed in any further rule making.  We will see what happens, John Lynch has this proposal on &#8220;greased skids&#8221; toward approval.</p>
<p>The focus of this change is entirely contrary to safety. Essentially they are changing the rule to make it &#8220;easier and cheaper for flight schools and for students.&#8221; The resulting <strong>reduction</strong> in necessary skills and hence safety is not addressed! Perhaps we will have FOs that never operated folding gear? an increase in gear-up landings on CRJs? The whole industry is in a panic to get more pilots started but the trend of &#8220;lowering standards to make more pilots&#8221; is counter-productive in the long run. Witness all the &#8220;shake and bake&#8221; pilot academy graduates screwing up in airliners now. (Please don&#8217;t make me fly on an airliner!) Thanks for your great work here!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anatomy of a Fatal Stall/Spin by David St. George</title>
		<link>http://www.safepilots.org/2009/12/21/anatomy-of-a-fatal-stallspin/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>David St. George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted extensively on the AvWeb Forum regarding this accident and I hope this kind of intelligent analysis pervades the SAFE Forum (http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AvWebInsider_CirrusStall_201729-1.html) But in summary, I think Rich and John in the podcast are right on point: more training and awareness are necessary for &lt;strong&gt;all&lt;/strong&gt; pilots along with more maneuvering flight (Rich) but also ADM and &quot;how did we get in this dangerous situation&quot; where only immense skill could possibly save the day (John).

I would also (as a recent CSIP and long time stick and rudder advocate) indicate to everyone that there is nothing &quot;Cirrus Specific&quot; about this accident that I can detect (except perhaps Cirrus pilot automation induced &quot;control numbness?&quot;) Any HP plane in this situation could easily end &quot;over the top&quot; with sudden power application (310 ponies) I once had a student spin me on base (he was quick and/or I was asleep?) Youall be careful out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted extensively on the AvWeb Forum regarding this accident and I hope this kind of intelligent analysis pervades the SAFE Forum (<a href="http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AvWebInsider_CirrusStall_201729-1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AvWebInsider_CirrusStall_201729-1.html</a>) But in summary, I think Rich and John in the podcast are right on point: more training and awareness are necessary for <strong>all</strong> pilots along with more maneuvering flight (Rich) but also ADM and &#8220;how did we get in this dangerous situation&#8221; where only immense skill could possibly save the day (John).</p>
<p>I would also (as a recent CSIP and long time stick and rudder advocate) indicate to everyone that there is nothing &#8220;Cirrus Specific&#8221; about this accident that I can detect (except perhaps Cirrus pilot automation induced &#8220;control numbness?&#8221;) Any HP plane in this situation could easily end &#8220;over the top&#8221; with sudden power application (310 ponies) I once had a student spin me on base (he was quick and/or I was asleep?) Youall be careful out there!</p>
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		<title>Comment on SAFE Responses to NPRM FAA 2008 0938 by Michael Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.safepilots.org/2009/12/08/safe-responses-to-nprm-faa-2008-0938/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for submitting these comments on behalf of the SAFE Membership. This response is thoughtful and touches on the key issues and concerns for these proposed changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for submitting these comments on behalf of the SAFE Membership. This response is thoughtful and touches on the key issues and concerns for these proposed changes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Long Overdue SAFE Update by Webmaster</title>
		<link>http://www.safepilots.org/2009/10/19/long-overdue-safe-update/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Webmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you David!  Wouldn&#039;t be successful without the help of Rich Stowell and all the board members.  Great job everyone!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Long Overdue SAFE Update by David St. George</title>
		<link>http://www.safepilots.org/2009/10/19/long-overdue-safe-update/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>David St. George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful website Jenny! And everyday I see SAFE in more places. All the volunteers and energy are very apparent and making this organization fly. Keep up the good work (don&#039;t give up your day job Doug) . Maybe there is some truth to that phrase about &quot;old age a treachery can overcome...&quot; Except in this case its &quot;honesty!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful website Jenny! And everyday I see SAFE in more places. All the volunteers and energy are very apparent and making this organization fly. Keep up the good work (don&#8217;t give up your day job Doug) . Maybe there is some truth to that phrase about &#8220;old age a treachery can overcome&#8230;&#8221; Except in this case its &#8220;honesty!&#8221;</p>
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